The level of drone threat in the USA?

PeterNSteinmetz

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@rotorwrench notes in the TSA idiocy thread that drones may constitute an emerging terrorist threat.

Now clearly drones have been used to serious effect in wars elsewhere, but have there been any terrorist or other criminal attacks using them in the USA?
 
but have there been any terrorist or other criminal attacks using them in the USA?
Criminal acts yes, no clue on the terror side. And there are 100+ illegal drone flights reported every month and have been steadily increasing over the last several years as the number of UAS increases.

There is also a national drone (UAS) threat/incident tracking and reporting system under development. Most countries were waiting for ICAO to issue guidance on this which came out in 2023. And in 2024 the US system was funded under a FAA bill.
 
Criminal acts yes, no clue on the terror side. And there are 100+ illegal drone flights reported every month and have been steadily increasing over the last several years as the number of UAS increases.
Do you know if any of the criminal acts have been attacks on people or otherwise violent?

Acts others than egregiously violating the rules of drone flight? What do people do with them which is criminal?
 
Do you know if any of the criminal acts have been attacks on people or otherwise violent?
The cartels and other similar groups use them a lot at the north and south borders in support of drug smuggling, human trafficking, interdictions with CBP, and so on.

Been told they'll fly them at CBP personal, vehicles, and aircraft with impacts on occasion. They're also used to facilitate all levels of criminal activity in major US cities to include threatening actions toward people vs sending Guido to break kneecaps. Plus they are used to provide diversions to LEOs to let the bad guys get away.

Some drones are flown purposely in a manner that causes undue damages like in the recent LA fires. I'm sure if you search you'll find more examples of criminal activity beyond simply flying them in the wrong place.
 
The cartels and other similar groups use them a lot at the north and south borders in support of drug smuggling, human trafficking, interdictions with CBP, and so on.

Been told they'll fly them at CBP personal, vehicles, and aircraft with impacts on occasion. They're also used to facilitate all levels of criminal activity in major US cities to include threatening actions toward people vs sending Guido to break kneecaps. Plus they are used to provide diversions to LEOs to let the bad guys get away.

Some drones are flown purposely in a manner that causes undue damages like in the recent LA fires. I'm sure if you search you'll find more examples of criminal activity beyond simply flying them in the wrong place.
Some of that sounds bad, though most of what is mentioned there is related to our war on drug users. I am always on the fence about how to view that. Who is really the morally worse person? The person ferrying the drugs or the person threatening to use violence to stop them?

I am nearly certain we would not agree on that!
 
The DEA and their thugs have destroyed a lot of people's lives as well. Witness the number of people with long prison sentences for things like possessing marijuana.

But in comparing those specific two, the DEA or CBP use violence against other people. The drug pushers just sell something that other people voluntarily want to buy. It is not good for them to buy and use those substances by most people's standards. The drug pushers are taking advantage of someone in an impaired mental state (though they brought that state on themselves), but they aren't using violent force to make anyone take those drugs.
 
Who is really the morally worse person? The person ferrying the drugs or the person threatening to use violence to stop them?
Well, IMO, anyone who knowingly brings in poisons like Fentanyl into the country loses any right to self-preservation. The addictive power of such compounds is mind-blowing and unfortunately, I’ve seen that power personally. So, no we probably wouldn’t agree on the moral side as these people are only opportunists against a fellow human and have no value in society.
 
The addictive power of such compounds is mind-blowing and unfortunately, I’ve seen that power personally. So, no we probably wouldn’t agree on the moral side as these people are only opportunists against a fellow human and have no value in society.
Actually I largely agree on the last bit.

It certainly sounds like even setting aside drones being used to harass or harm those engaged in our drug interdiction efforts, there are some serious criminal uses of them.

I'm not sure enough of a threat to justify all the regulatory supervision of them we now provide, but that would depend on harder data than what we have described here.
 
I'm not sure enough of a threat to justify all the regulatory supervision of them we now provide, but that would depend on harder data than what we have described here.
I believe the data and references you seek will be coming forthwith as the new drone surveillance laws start to move forward. It was even a topic of discussion at the recent confirmation hearing for the next Sec DHS. In the meantime ICAO has a few work papers on it and the NPRMs for the new laws will have background as well. As I understand it, the main threat issue is 99% of all reported illegal drone flights are done by unknown persons.
 
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