Intercept leads to hard landing at KLOM

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benyflyguy

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A Cherokee landed hard at KLOM this afternoon closing airport temporarily. Everyone is ok.
Heard they violated Presidential TFR and were intercepted and subsequently landed a bit stressed.
 
Interesting side effect of these TFRs to think about. How much additional damage or injury do they cause due to situations like this?
 
eman1200 said:
Yep, blame the TFR. Always someone or something else to blame for one’s stupidity.
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Sort of missing the point. The PIC is certainly responsible for the hard landing.

But policies like TFRs, while intended to do one thing, can often have have unintended consequences, like possibly increasing the rate of other adverse events.

We don’t know if that is true. Or at least I don’t know of a study showing that, but it is a possibility. And in terms of making public policy, like having TFRs in an attempt to prevent a very rare event like an airborne attack on a politician, we should factor in what may be the more common unintended negative costs.
 
I was trying to think of them - aside from Flight 93, have there been any attempted or successful airborne attacks on politicians in the US?
 
Salty said:
Sorry officer, the presence of your police car distracted me and caused me to speed.

Nah, sorry. Hard landing is not TFR's fault in any way, shape or form. Not that I like TFR's.
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Wouldn’t this be more analogous to “the presence of your police car caused me to swerve and make an abrupt stop” ?

I agree that the PIC is the PIC and ultimately responsible. But I can also understand that being intercepted and having flares discharged would be more than a bit flustering and could make it harder to focus on landing properly.

In other words, like many incidents and accidents, likely multiple contributing factors and I think the interception was likely one of them.
 
luvflyin said:
Gonna be blunt here. If it flusters someone to the point of not being able to land safely they don't belong in the air and should find a new hobby. For their and others sake.
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I don't know. It wasn't like they crashed and hurt anyone. Just a hard landing.

I suppose one could examine in a simulator what would happen to the average GA pilot's landing performance when being intercepted. Could actually be an interesting study. I suspect performance would be significantly degraded for a fair portion of them and that the fraction of hard landings might increase by an order of magnitude. But the study would show whether that speculation is true.

And it is precisely this sort of data and consideration of the average cost to others of doing these intercepts which should factor into decisions about whether to have TFRs and when.
 
nauga said:
There have been lots of studies of the effects of distractions in the cockpit. Just because this one fits a popular agenda does not make it any less the responsibility of the pilot in command to maintain control of the aircraft in the presence of distractions.
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Very true. But my point here is that a rational way to make public policy is to consider the intended benefit of having the TFRs and their actual costs. It has nothing to do with placing blame on anyone.
 
eman1200 said:
true or not, it's irrelevant. if you're going to fly, you need to adhere whether you like rules or not.
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True, it is no excuse to not follow the rules. But it is a very good reason to consider modifying the rules!
 
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