NATO TFR AKA The Death Penalty

[poadeleted21]

Check this out. Action C) is the interesting one.

You think they'd do it?

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/summit-advisory.pdf

 

[Jim Logajan]

Hasn't happened yet, and I really doubt it ever will. They had their chance with the Smoketown Bandits, but since they were able to figure out who it was before they got within shoot-down distance, they were able to handle it cleanly, and their systems and procedures have been improved since.

Just remember that every incursion into this zone by one of us will be reported nationally (even internationally), and will be seen by the general public not as evidence of security lunacy, but of our incompetence, and another reason to ban "little airplanes" from the sky.

So please -- read and heed, and don't $%&* it up for the rest of us.

CIA Helped Shoot Down 15 Civilian Planes

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-202_162-4664791.html

Given that in other news the administration keeps reducing the amount of judicial and other cross checks designed to prevent such things happening in this country, I think you are being very optimistic.

The people in government appear to have been learning that they can get away with a great deal, given proper "handling" of the consequences.

 

[Jim Logajan]

It's not the government that I'm scared of. It's the reaction of an aviation-phobic public. A coordinated mass airspace violation will make that worse, not better, and making that worse is NOT what we want to do.

As for the possibility of getting shot down, if they see one hundred airplanes violating the TFR, how are they to know it's not a coordinated attack? One light airplane is not likely to be a security threat. Coming to that conclusion about a coordinated violation by a hundred of them would be a difficult decision to make. It's not a conclusion that I think I could come to or justify if I were responsible for the security of the conference.

Scaring people with our airplanes is NOT a good idea.

That scenario wold be the worst way to execute civil disobediance. Something of a strawman, actually.

I believe in cases where civil disobediance has succeeded, they start with media campaigns or equivalent. Civil disobediance comes later, and should be well publicized well ahead of time. It helps to have sympathetic reporters involved.

The promotion of a bunker mentality with respect to aviation rights is something I just don't understand. I'm not aware of anyone ever winning back rights withot devising some form of attack.

 

[Jim Logajan]

Pro se, no doubt, as I doubt any attorney would represent you on such grounds. Good news is it wouldn't take much of your day before the judge tossed it on motions.

This issue has been tried in court, and was not tossed on motions. Unfortunately the court ruled that the Fifth Amendment takings clause is not applicable to flight restrictions in public navigable airspace. See Air Pegasus of D.C. vs United States:

http://federal-circuits.vlex.com/vid/air-pegasus-inc-plaintiff-defendant-20542615

The ruling does cite one case, Palazzolo v. Rhode Island, 533 U.S. 606, that allowed compensation when the regulation is judged unreasonable or onerous. In this case they did not find that to be the case.