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At first it does shock me - how can they miss the huge signs with serious threats. But then I remember that I know a lot of people who just carry all the time and perhaps have their gun in their bag. Of course, I see no great problem with people carrying their firearms on the plane. Do you...

Never is specified what exactly or what level of suspicion… https://www.businessinsider.com/missing-scissors-japanese-airport-flight-disruption-delay-cancellation-2024-8

Obviously the owner was a bad guy. Though I am not sure the prosecution for tax evasion will help the real victims get their money back. https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2024/august/22/owner-of-defunct-virginia-flight-school-faces-prison

I can see how that does avoid a direct circularity error. I think it raises a number of more philosophical issues, however, I have been starting to focus my effort now on the review of possible studies of the impact of ICAO regulations. The first stage of review of title and abstracts seems to...

All to pursue with vigor security theater. I know they TSA has to brag about something, but I do wonder how many times they fail to find these? Presumably less than their 96% failure rate in their tests for detecting contraband, as though items are often more artfully concealed...

Yes, you are correct, I don't think that following the Rule of Law is a good guide to morality. Additionally since we are sort of discussing what the law and regulations should be, doesn't that lead to a circular argument? In others words, the argument would appear to be "It should be the law...

It should be. I think the standard should be clear and convincing evidence. Otherwise I consider it completely immoral to being using violence and threats of violence to be forcing people to do things they otherwise don’t want to do. I emphasize the violence that underlies all government...

As always I will ask, are there any real data and analyses that say that these regulations had their intended effect and that they are worth the cost? The fact that these come from the 20s and 30s argues that probably they aren't. Certainly back then the US government did not assess things...

We had been discussing some of the technical details of this and moved to the other thread - https://flyersforum.org/threads/us-membership-in-icao-costs-and-requirements.3502/ I don't know all the details of the ICAO rules. But from what has been discussed there, they sound complex. Thus...

I just read the new FAA appropriations bill bans or will ban the use of ADS-B out to initiate an investigation. If true this will address some of the “big brother” aspects.

This book from 2017 describes the life and gliding and aeronautic experiments of John J. Montgomery. Montgomery flew gliders near San Diego between 1883 and 1885 which included ailerons for lateral control and later around 1905 designed gliders released from balloons up to 3000’ altitudes...

I have another question about the ICAO. Can only nation states be members? Or could another organization or corporation also be a member and guarantee that it complies?

That points out another category of cost - Fees paid to the ICAO by the US government to help support it’s mission. Certainly the sum of all these cost items is not zero. Indeed including all the FAA costs which are mandated to meet ICAO requirements I imagine is a substantial portion of the...

Quick search on google scholar using search terms "costs of icao compliance" brings up a very large number of results. First one looks somewhat interesting - https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.jairtraman.2004.02.004

Interesting how that would work without the ICAO agreement and that those costs are due to duties imposed by the governments involved. Yes, let's try and figure out what those total costs are including those which are not imposed by a tax or duty. You are no doubt much more knowledgeable about...

Neither, I mean it precisely with that emphasis. While I do see your point that these statements could be construed a different way, that is not what I mean. I mean to say precisely that the government will act WITHIN its laws and use violence and threats of violence. I said nothing about the...

I think essentially you have hit the nail on the head there, though I don’t believe what has been attributed to me there. I would argue it is exactly the case that governments need to be able to use violence and threats of violence to enforce their rules, the “laws of the land”, in order to...

I believe I understand what you are saying. But I honestly don't understand if you are claiming that there is no threat of violence involved in FAA enforcement, at least implicitly. The examples you cite demonstrate that occasionally it comes to just that. Just because most people seek to...

That seems quite false to me. These costs are paid for by the Federal agencies and by the costs of the enforcement process. They are not zero. They are just hidden and paid for by the taxpayers, many of whom don’t even fly much, and some fees.

I’m afraid this is a fundamental point. Unfortunately it influences the evaluation of the underlying policy decisions, because the facts in social sciences are often fairly soft. But I will try and be more concrete with my initial aviation related example, rather than abstract. So you are...